*DRAFT * DRAFT * DRAFT * DRAFT * DRAFT * DRAFT * DRAFT * INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) May 29, 2003 Reported by: Dinara Suleymanova, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES --------- Harald Alvestrand / Cisco Rob Austein / IAB Liaison Marcia Beaulieu / IETF Secretariat Steve Bellovin / AT&T Labs Randy Bush / IIJ Michelle Cotton / ICANN Leslie Daigle / Verisign (IAB) Bill Fenner / AT&T Ned Freed / Sun Microsystems Barbara Fuller / IETF Secretariat Ted Hardie / Qualcomm, Inc. Russ Housley / Vigil Security, LLC Allison Mankin / Bell Labs, Lucent Jon Peterson / NeuStar, Inc. Dinara Suleymanova / IETF Secretariat Bert Wijnen / Lucent Alex Zinin / Alcatel REGRETS --------- Jacqueline Hargest / IETF Secretariat Thomas Narten / IBM Erik Nordmark / Sun Joyce K. Reynolds / ISI (RFC Editor) Minutes -------- 1. The minutes of the May 15, 2003 teleconference were approved. The Secretariat to place in public archives. 2. Review Action Items DONE TASKS: o Secretariat to send ldup WG Action/Re-charter announcement to IAB, IESG, WG Chairs. If nothing happens, in one week Ted will ask Secretariat to announce. o After netconf WG Chairs are approved, Bert will ask Secretariat to send WG Action to ietf-announce, cc: WG Chairs. o Secretariat to send mmusic charter (WG Re-charter) to ietf-announce and new-work. o Secretariat to send IESG a list of groups with whom we need to avoid meeting conflicts when scheduling IETF conferences. o Alex to send RFC Editor Note for draft-ietf-ppvpn-framework-08.txt addressing Bert's and Ted's concerns. o Secretariat to include IESG note in announcement for draft-ogura-ipv6-mapos-02.txt o Secretariat to include new RFC Editor Note in announcement for draft-murchison-sieve-subaddress-06.txt o Secretariat to send internal Working Group Review message for simple WG o Alex to send DNP message for draft-srisuresh-ospf-te-05.txt to Secretariat to send on behalf of IESG. o Alex will notify Secretariat once ok to announce draft-ietf-ipo-framework-04.txt (removed) OUTSTANDING TASKS: IP o Allison to review draft-agrawal-sip-h323-interworking-reqs and send decision to IESG. IP o Erik to document process of how the IESG goes about asking architectural questions of the IAB IP o Thomas to write (or cause to be written) a draft on "how to get to Draft". IP o Thomas to contact Cablelabs to discuss formal relationship with IAB IP o Allison and Thomas will email Secretariat note to send to RFC Editor about 3GPP RFC Editor documents. IP o Ned to write an IESG note for draft-tegen-smqp (Informational) IP o Steve to write RFC re: TCP MD5 option IP o Randy and Ned to finish ID on Clarifying when Standards Track Documents may Refer Normatively to Documents at a Lower Level IP o Alex to send proposal and justification for interim document review. IP o Ted to write straw working group procedures for handling consensus-blocked decisions IP o Steve to generate a summary of IESG views of the "problem" IP o Steve to propose a different document classification than the current info/proposed/etc. NEW TASKS: o Harald Alvestrand to talk to RFC Editor about independent submissions. o Secretariat to include the following statement (line) before the draft approval announcement that is part of a ballot. ---- following is a DRAFT of message to be sent AFTER approval --- To: IETF-Announce:; Dcc: ******* o Alex Zinin to phrase a question to RTG and OPS Area Directoriats and IAB on PPVPN issue. Alex to summarize the results as a proposed IESG consensus regarding the PPVPN issue to be given to the PPVPN working group. o IESG to review IANA matrix data. 2. Protocol Actions 2.1. WG Submissions 2.1.1. New Item o RTCP attribute in SDP (Proposed Standard) Token: Peterson, Jon Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Jon Peterson with authors' permission. Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note. o Registration Revocation in Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard) Token: Narten, Thomas Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Steve Bellovin. Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note. o Textual Conventions for IPv6 Flow Label (Proposed Standard) Token: Bush, Randy Approved. Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement. 2.1.2. Returning Item NONE 2.2. Individual Submissions 2.2.1. New Item o Printer MIB v2 (Proposed Standard) Token: Freed, Ned Approved. Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement. o Registration procedures for message header fields (BCP) Token: Freed, Ned Deferred by Harald Alvestrand, Allison Mankin, Jon Peterson. Secretariat to put on the agenda for the next telechat on June 12, 2003. o Delegation of E.F.F.3.IP6.ARPA (BCP) Token: Narten, Thomas Approved. Secretariat to send Protocol Action Announcement. 2.2.2. Returning Item o Collective Attributes in LDAP (Proposed Standard) Token: Hardie, Ted Under discussion by Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley. 3. Document Actions 3.1. WG Submissions 3.1.1. New Item o IS-IS Cryptographic Authentication (Informational) Token: Zinin, Alex Note: Responsible: Author Approved. Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement. o Multicast Source Discovery Protocol (MSDP) (Experimental) Token: Zinin, Alex Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Alex Zinin. Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note. 3.1.2. Returning Item NONE 3.2. Indiviual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1. New Item o Printer Finishing MIB (Informational) Token: Freed, Ned Note: Four week last call requested Approved pending RFC Editor's Note to be prepared by Ned Freed. Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement including RFC Editor's Note. o IANA Charset MIB (Informational) Token: Freed, Ned Note: Four week last call requested Under discussion by Ted Hardie (for Michelle Cotton). Secretariat to put on the agenda for the next telechat on June 12, 2003, if not approved prior to that date. 3.2.2. Returning Item o RADIUS Support For Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) (Informational) Token: Bush, Randy Approved. Secretariat to send Document Action Announcement. Randy Bush to prepare a note for the minutes regarding why this document is not in the Standards Track. NOTE: RFCs 1321 and 2104 define a cryptographic algorithms. We have agreed that it is okay to reference such documents. So, only the 1st and 3rd bullets seem relevant. The document draft-aboba-radius-rfc2869bis-22.txt is informational as opposed to standards track because o a standards track document may not make normative reference to a document at a 'lesser' status o draft-aboba-radius-rfc2869bis-22.txt has normative references to rfcs 1321 and 2104, both of which are informational o it also makes inescapable normative reference to draft-chiba-radius-dynamic-authorization-20.txt, which will be informational. 3.3. Indiviual Submissions Via RFC Editor 3.3.1. New Item o Developing High Quality SNMP Agents (Informational) Token: Wijnen, Bert Note: On IESG agenda for 29 May The document is not in conflict with IETF work. Bert Wijnen to prepare a replacement message for Secretariat to send to RFC Editor. 3.3.2 Returning Item NONE 4. Working Group Actions 4.1. WG Creation 4.1.1. Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2. Proposed for Approval NONE 4.2. WG Rechartering 4.2.1. Under evaluation for IETF Review o Next Steps in Signaling Token: Mankin, Allison Next Steps in Signaling (nsis) Allison Mankin to submit a Revised Charter to the Secretariat. Secretariat to send a WG Review Announcement with copy to new-work@ietf.org. o SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions Token: Hardie, Ted SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple) Approved. Secretariat to send a WG Action: RECHARTER Announcement. 4.2.2. Proposed for Approval o IP Telephony Token: Peterson, Jon Note: under discussion IP Telephony (iptel) Approved. Secretariat to send a WG Action: RECHARTER Announcement. 5. Working Group News We Can Use 5.1. WG Closing o Content Distribution Internetworking (cdi) Token: Hardie, Ted Approved. Ted Hardie to send a note for the minutes documenting why the IESG chose to close the WG while some documents are in RFC Editor's Queue. Ted to prepare the WG Action: WG to Conclude Announcement for the Secretariat to send. NOTE: Ted Hardie, Area Advisor for the CDI working group, asked that the IESG agree to close this group. Historically, working groups have not closed while they have documents active in the RFC editor's queue. This group does have two informational documents still in the that queue. Ted asked for a variance from that precedent in this case, as the working group has ceased to serve as a viable forum for discussion of these issues; any issues raised by the RFC editor will need to be handled by the editors. Further, the documents at issue are not protocol standards, as they provide a set of scenarios and an abstract model. The IESG agreed to the closure of the group, pending a note drafting the reasoning for this being included in the working group closure notice. Ted agreed to draft that note and send it to the Secretariat for the closure notice. Separately, the IESG agreed that a more definite set of procedures for working group closure is needed. Allison and Ted volunteered to send draft text to Harald for inclusion in his procedures draft. 6. IAB News We Can Use 7. Management Issues o DNP - Harald Alvestrand (skipped) o Review criteria for independent submissions - Harald Alvestrand (discussed) o Does ballot text need a change - Bert Wijnen (discussed) o PPVPN Issue - added by Alex Zinin (discussed) o IANA Matrix Data - added by Michelle Cotton (discussed)